Bible Justice

Matt Dillahunty is an atheist critical thinker and debater who hosts a weekly cable show entitled “The Atheist Experience”. You can view their videos on youtube where they debate theist callers who try to convince them there is justifiable evidence that there is a God.

In the below transcript of his rant/speech Matt replies to woman who wrote to him about the concept of God and justice.

“So backtracking because I don’t want to miss out on this. What she wrote was ‘I don’t want to live in a world where those with power impose their evil intent on the masses and not face any type of consequence. Without God people can easily escape human justice. I can’t buy into that.’

She also made this point about uhm because you realize somebody mentioned pedophile priests ‘You realize yes pedophiles are immoral but there are pedophiles who escape from human justice and therefore it’s good to know that Gods justice is eventually gonna get them

And this become the basis of why she believes and here is my response and I’ll just uh read it.

The kind of world you want to live in has no bearing on the world you do live in. If this is your principal objection to world views that don’t include some cosmic justice in them, if you’ll forgive the condescending remark, you really don’t know what you’re talking about.

Life isn’t fair, and the desire for justice that you express is one of the key foundations of most every religion. We’re all aware that sometimes good goes unrewarded and evil goes unpunished (sometimes it’s even the good that is punished), and so some justice seekers invent a security blanket to ensure that they aren’t mired in depression. It allows them to face the harshness of an indifferent reality, whether it’s Heaven and Hell or Karma dictating infinite rebirths it serves the same purpose.

Some of us prefer to actually face reality. Some of us realize that there’s no good reason to believe that the universe is anything but indifferent to our existence and our perceptions of good and evil. Some of us realize that dealing with reality on reality’s terms is the only way to make any real improvements in the situation.

Life isn’t fair, and that’s actually comforting if you think about it. If life were fair that would imply that you actually deserve the bad things that happen to you, and those that benefit from evil deeds are similarly deserving.

The realization that there’s no reason to expect justice is what ensures that we take steps to impose justice. The realization that good isn’t always rewarded is what drives us to reward it when we see it. The realization that evil isn’t always punished is what drives us to work together as a cooperative society to deal with our problems collectively and individually in a way that encourages real change and that hopefully minimizes harmful actions.

Realizing that justice isn’t guaranteed allows us to appreciate when it happens and work toward ensuring it on a more regular basis. Your particular God concept/view of justice represents the height of irresponsibility and injustice. Your chosen religion has us born as reprobates, guilty before we’ve even taken a single breath. Responsible for things we’ve never done. It offers instant undeserved forgiveness for the most horrible of crimes and punishes people whose only crime is disbelief. Forever.

It advocates slavery, denigrates women, curses homosexuals, orders the stoning of unruly children, sanctioning wars of extermination, condones human sacrifices, and poisons every mind it touches. It includes only one unforgivable crime, disbelief. Is that just?

This justice you so admire is no such thing. It’s divine edict, it’s arbitrary, capricious and ultimately unjust and immoral.

Yes I realize that there are pedophiles out there who’ve escaped our flawed justice system (priests). Do you realize that your system says that they’re all eligible for an eternal paradise? How does that address your objection? Under the rules of Christianity the pedophile escapes the rule of justice here can also escape your ultimate justice. Under the rules of Christianity he may live forever in paradise while someone who spent their entire life doing good, helping others, and contributing in a generally positive way to the one and only life we’re sure to get ultimately is judged unworthy of that reward.

Don’t kid yourself. You haven’t accepted a cosmic sense of justice that alleviates the problem. You’ve accepted one that alleviates the problem for you. It is a selfish justification that shows no regard for real matters of justice.

It is the height of arrogance and your desire to feel special because somebody up there thinks you’re special. Well according to the paradigm you advocate he thinks anyone willing to worship him is special with no regard to justice or character.

Go, read Romans. No one makes this point clearer than Paul. The law was established with full knowledge that no one would be able to fulfill it. It was established to demonstrate this inability and damn us further, and then a loophole was established to let some people through regardless of their standing with the law. (He doesn’t specify an exact verse because his point is carried across the entire epistle. But to narrow it down, it basically starts on Chapter 1 verse 18. And the loophole mentioned is best captured in Chapter 4 verses 2 to 7)

Your religion has made you a slave. It has made you uncaring. It has made you support immorality and injustice while claiming that arbitrary edicts and loopholes count as either. It is a reprehensible lie that poisons the mind and prevents you from understanding reality.

When the scales drop away from your eyes, as they have for many of us. We’ll be here, and you’ll realize that you’re not alone and not to blame.”

The video I just painstakingly transcribed for you can be found on the link below:

The parentheses are my interjections into his train of thought. There are only three because he articulated it so well they didn’t much interference. And for the righteously indignant that assert that the Bible (which is the basis for Christianity) does not advocate slavery, denigrate women or curse homosexuals ( as mentioned), I suggest you actually read the thing you dedicate your faith on.

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  1. Di-Nagpakilala Says:

    Thanks for this! It saved me from having to do the same, lol. It’s one of the most concise objections I’ve heard to the underlying needs of believers.

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